will we have to do is enforce the civil rights law. i'm against quotas. that is a red herring. affirmative action is not quotas. i'm against quotas. they are illegal. they are against the american way. affirmative action means to take extra steps to acknowledge the history of discrimination and injustice of prejudice and bring all people into the american dream. because it helps everybody, not just those who are directly benefiting. >> governor, are you opposed to afrmative action? parks -- >> if affirmative action discuss what i just said, i am for it. her but i just said i'm for. you heard what i was for. that is what i support. >> mr. vice president, you heard what he said. >> to setup a permanent action means quotas, he is against it. are you for it without quotas? >> i may not be for your version with and for what i just described for the lady. >> are you for what the supreme court says is a constitutional way of having affirmative- action? >> let's on-- go on to another -- >> it speaks to the fact that there are certain rules but evidently rules to not mean anything. >> t